It was really something special to meet Zach many years later in my 20s and talk about that genesis family we were in. Someone mentioned that it was a place where we lost our dreams and it seems like that US true bc everything th a rd happened to me after I left has been a result of what that place made me become. Spring Creek Ranch is located on a wildlife sanctuary almost 1,000 feet above the town of Jackson and has the most spectacular views of the Teton Mountain Range, including the world famous 13,700-foot Grand Teton. We had the worst reputation which i somewhat enjoyed. We dont have any specific designs for her, just want her to be happy and graduate high school with her head held high and our relationships intact and healthy. Im dumb founded why anyone in there right mind would stay at this place voluntarily. I am sure since our moms hit it off and we kept in contact for a while after getting out. It was insane, and when I left as a confused very immature 16 year old boy, I felt guilty for not figuring out a way to rescue my brothers whos parents had not been quick in catching up to the scam. I got there at 16 and learned very fast i was going to ride out at level 1 until I turned 18 and just walk down the road. Everyday I was there, they tried to break my spirit. it was so cool that so many people participated, even though im sure you all got in trouble :]]. Everyday for a year and a half. i know you just want to help and i envy your husband for having such a committed wife. I was 15 and was lied to by my parents who said I was going on a fun camping experience. I could go on and on about how ridiculously abusive and absurd the conditions were. Please enable JavaScript on your browser and try again. I had blacked out a lot of what happened there during my stay. I also forgive my daughter for her choices/actions that resulted in her stay at Spring Creek. I personaly never got beaten but fot caught up in all the games played there. Sick shit man. Privileges you lost at home because of that lack of respect. The best spring creek fishing in Montana Our world famous spring creek is one of the most sought after destinations by fly fishermen anywhere in the world. I didnt need wwasp to furnish me with a house!!!! I tried for years but he was never the same person he was when he left there. I only saw you once or twice because they separated boys and girls, but I thought you were cute. I hope karma reaches the people behind the evil operations of these facilities. Looked official. I remember when Cameron let me babysit his kids and how much trust he had in me. I just cant imagine putting my child in an environment like that. Thats it, Im sick of breathing now. Weird how the memories pop back in the way they do. Choose from Montana's most comprehensive selection of fly fishing trips. The Pullans were alsoinvolvedin Camas Ranch, an apparent attempt to remake a portion of the facility into an 18+ program, which failed. We have missing indigenous girls all the time around the Reservation , its like a hunting ground for the sex trade. If everyone who has a bone to pick with these people do so in a mature manner, and I have been guilty of getting pissed off when finding out about the fates of the Cory Murphys and Josh Lamberts of the world, this place and others like it can have a positive impact. Im sorry but only so much stuff bothers me, then its like well you dont share, you have to share, so then im making up shit to SHARE about. Recently Sold in Montana Antelope Creek Ranch $29,500,000 The Antelope Creek Ranch is located approximately 6 miles west of Big Timber, 28 miles eas Harwood Ranch $25,000,000 Straddling Gallatin and Madison Counties in southwest Montana, the Harwood Ranch is one of Lazy TP Ranch $24,500,000. The combination of abundant food options and gin clear waters produce conditions that require stealth and match the hatch presentation. They just didnt know how to communicate with me and I didnt know how to communicate with them. Mariam, I am so sorry to hear about kareem! Ill never forget the first time I saw him. Until I got stampeded by junior staff. Before I left, Karlye and I were working on goals. We both made lists and crossed them off as we accomplished them. That was all the best craziest I can say right now or Ill be typing for atleast a week. And yes my ass still hurts from sitting on those stupid wooden boxes they had for seats in there at the cubicles. Lol fuck that place! Certain units include a seating area for your convenience. McCoy Spring Creek Ranch | Montana Land for Sale SOLD McCoy Spring Creek Ranch 1210 ACRES Dillon IN Beaverhead COUNTY MONTANA Listing Price: $10,500,000 < > MOST RECENT STATUS UPDATE Sold November 15, 2012 Property Updated January 5, 2021 Details Free Subscribers Sign up for Free Access Market Experts Become a Market Expert Map Brian. Hi out there! And where was this spring creek at anyways?! HahaI forgot about that phrase attention suck thats right. Finally I somehow stuffed my shit together in the pack and finally they helped me after my pack fell apart because I packed it one handed. The reason I sent my child to Spring Creek was because she quit school in her Junior year and was completely disrespectful and running with trouble. His mom works 2 jobs, goes to college full time and cares for her two boys D and J. I definitely dont want to recommend a boys camp if this is the type of treatment he will get! We went through another long blur of trekking through the mountains. He is literally the reason why I am here today. hi melissa. I was in Destiny family. I had to put my glove next to my skin and let my body heat dry out the glove and I had to keep moving fast to keep my hand warm with my body heat alone. I was part of the serenity family. Once you feel detached enough to fight the bastards and spread your own testimony of their treachery, do so. 3 kids, work in IT, got a degree from OU and lived in Denver for a bit. I had only ditched school a couple times and got into a few fights at school for kids picking on me and when i was sent there i learned so many things its like i couldnt wait to go home and become a cool kid and do all the things i heard in stories told by 15 to 18 year olds. I did survival challenger in Montana. Poor Miss Keely, I will never forget her. If spring creek was bad I was worse. My name is Lindsay and I am from Paso Robles, California. It also earned me a one way ticket out of that hell hole. Hey you all, this is all amazing to read, I went to a program in TF (not SCL) for 1.5 years. I try getting out, then I wake up. I learned so much while I was there but it wasnt until my 30s that I applied any of it to my life. They look like the reason god gave us flame thrower s lol lets toss some salad. High Impact in Mexico definitely did not help and my only reward for graduating that boot camp in Mexico is getting sent back to Spring Creek Lodge until I left at 18. I felt desperate and wanted to fix the problem. Hey. His mom is a wonderful lady, and shes done a lot of positive educational and volunteer work in Zachs memory. If you want to have whoever it is who posts for you write me and I will gladly continue corresponding with you. Dont look back, and dont try to lose yourself in some routinejust live. I actually found this page because I had to list my graduating school which was spring creek. One of the customers overheard us and said there is a girl about 1 mile up near the storage sheds on the right and there are two guys talking to her. What is their to do to be active in lawsuits? Remember ? even just a fun little demonstration was a big deal. I was never the same after leaving the program. She always had that resting b#*!ch face. Oh oh . There was Jay Ruff (dish bowl chest) haha..and James Jones who left when he turned 18. In a perfect world these bastards would be in prison. I think Sky View Christian Academy was open for maybe 5 years?.. Life is good. Nobody can say you havent done well. I was there at spring creek community before most of you here. Devin was the stocky short guy. On a side note, in that place the duality of man became very apparent. I picked a stupid song and was carried over all the people as they basically crowd surf you down the line.. blindfolded and all that. Omg Ian and Jennifer, I totally remember you guys (and maybe others)! I did was in this whole new place with a few people I knew and a ton of people I didnt and I had to be an upper level and consequence people and play the game of accountability and all that. www.ranchflip.com is using a security service for protection against online attacks. Did you ever get jumped in the woods, told to keep quiet to the press, beaten, abused or humiliated? We were in incredible shape at this point being near 16 and they had given us real camp food again since we werent in the desert. I saw level sevens crushed because they lost all their points for a trivial reason. If anyone can help guide me it would be greatly appreciated. Still have actual nightmares being there! So good to see this page is still active and I, like many others still think about that time in Montana. Thank God the Teen Whisperer never made it to TNT. I graduated the program a level 6 and was trainer of the boys off site house. Shes going back to school and when she talked to a counselor found out she didnt need them. It was an action born of us sitting up at night talking when we were family leaders trying to make sure we didnt get programmed. Thank you. He was only about 15 minute drive from his house also when his dumb ass told his parents where we were so I just said please tell them I dropped u off here and I jumped back in truck and went to a pay phone by air port. YEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! How did he pass? And all of that sounds pretty bad. My job on day shift was family parent. Sooo, how can you be a parent if you do not have a relationship with your family. That was one of the MANY rules that I broke:) I hoped that was true. He never talks about what happened there. Hence the name 5mo because I had 5 more years till I was 18 and no one saw me graduating. There I was to spend the next year and a half. Build lasting relationships with your best clients or reward your key employees with one of our custom built corporate fishing retreats. They apparently have taken very awkward steps to try and stay afloat which unfortunately means poorer quality services for the prisoners. We got jumped constantly, almost every other day cause there was shit to do n people got bored. I was at SCL from 2005 to 2007, and I feel exactly the same way as Zach. Dont punish yourself brother. It was fucking crazy but I actually preferred it over being locked in Sky View Academy. Overall spring creek sucked but it wasnt a bad abusive place when I was there like everyone else has said atleast not in my experience lmao. One would think anyone would understand the backlash of that move, Mike was awesome, and from what I know he was not there at the end I believe he had moved onbut I graduated in 2001 and am nor fully sure. After reading all this, I dont want to hear any of Mr. It has been great to read all of these posts and see the familiar names.its good to see how you all are doingIts so strange that all of us went through this shit together but were so far apart I wish i could get my hands on a damn SCL 98/99 directory of students AND staff hahaI hope all of you are doing well..I am happy to say I am loving life with my two kiddos and living in Denver best city ever so if any of you remember me please feel free to email me! Yeah you must be a staff member hahahahaha. He was in Excel from 2001 to 2002. I decided that the level two privileges of butter, sugar, and a weekly candy bar were not worth it. If you were there with me or know anyone from that time; staff or student, contact me. They put us through seminars that were some weird brain washing bullshit. After abusing hundreds, maybe even thousands of teenagers this man has finally been stopped. http://wwaspsurvivors.com/youth-foundation-success-academy-youth-foundation-inc/. I was in SCL for 22 months from 2001 to 2003. I was in the program from 02-03 I was in unity family. I saw some terrifying things there.but i recently stumbled across this site..i guess trying to STILL AT 31 YEARS OLD sort this fucked up time in my life outI am SO VERY sorry to hear of any rape/molestingi was FULLY aware of the mind fucking they were doingi played right on into that to get OUT..i guess i just want to say thank you for sharing all of your stories! I lived in the 18 trailer for a good bit of the entire program and also spent a few months living in the upper level cabins just off campus. Kids trying to kill themselves left and right. In the meantime I might have to get a GED how stupid and ridiculous that even though I have my diploma and unofficial transcripts thats still not enough :/. Find out when to come, what equipment to bring, browse blog articles, and more. Lord they were pissed about that. Jake was the guy that told me: uh you wont make it if you run unless you want to hide under a truck for six months. I was in Spring Creek Lodge from 2002 to 2003. Creek Wilderness Camp in the spring of 1989 for two months. I have apologized to her but not sure she really forgives me. Im just glad I saw through the BS. Whether or not there was any truth in this, it inspired me. Justin Harris playing his guitar at night when they dimmed the lights definitely made you appreciate the little things. She went in while I stayed in the car. I believed that his counselor, Laurie was looking out for him. He was one of my best friends! The pit with Tom Sawyer and huckleberry Finn. When not even the names of the people I lived with for 2.5 years ring a bell, then I am scared for what I still cannot remember. I felt like I abandoned you manstill haunted by that shit. and Brock and Scottand Damon (?) After a week and a half of snowshoeing through this insane weather that no sane person would subject themselves to willingly, they gave us cross country skis . I dont. I guess thats what they felt they had to conform too,to try to program. Needless to say, he gave Steve hell! I was also in quest. I cant ask her any info from whatever family thing she came from without sounding suspicious but I can say her name is Randi. Montana Angler holds a federal permit to guide our guests on these legendary waters, Fish over 20 legendary Montana rivers across multiple valleys or get off the beaten path on our exclusive private access ranch leases. Fishing on Armstrong is good all year round. It is adjacent to Spring Creek among cottonwoods, ponderosa pine, juniper and aspens in a riparian environment. My name is a Nick Theriault. I spent two winters in that hell hole. What an awesome lady. I was in mike lindermans adoption group. Track this homes value and nearby sales activity. Apparently he is taking Narvins (what a nameonly a backwards inbred banjo playing hicks would name their son Narvin) place as Narvin has had too many run ins with the law. There is a good population of Ring-necked pheasant for the avid upland bird hunter, as well as a resident Whitetail deer herd that is capable of producing true trophy bucks in the 130-180 class. I was there in 2006 i believe I was in courage family the place was hell I never passed level 1 I remember the room at the top of the hill the most the punishment room intervention or whatever it was called I spent most my time there it smelled like piss and or puke it was exactly like a prison sell except In prison we got a mattress and a tv there we got a stinky carpet covered wooden or metal bunk I spent several years in prison and that place made prison seem like a resort its probably half the reason I went to prison it institutionalized me at 15 it made me numb to being incarcerated incarceration felt normal and easy compared to that shit hole if there are any lawsuits I can join please contact me tirnerlegacyconstruction@gmail.com. Mine was ground level on the girls side appropriately entitled: Serenity. When were you there? He was an instant friend. In a way we are kind of like people who have been through any sort of trauma and didnt seek help. Cameron became my new guardian and made that perfectly clear when I got there. Yeah we can be imature we thought we knew everything its apart of growing up I always remember thinking how come everyone just doesnt stay on level one if everyone can do that theres no way this program could survive! Im looking for a friend name Tyler he from Montana I think. The Chick-fil-A App is not presently accepted at Chick-fil-A Express and Chick-fil-A licensed locations such as those in airports and college campuses. This place was disgusting seriously whoever thought that torturing kids helped them is a horrible person. I would ask to go to the Hobbit every time a seminar came up. I could have done this as my family married into the Lichfield mafia in Utah I no longer speak to them. In 1996, he moved to Montana to open Spring Creek Lodge along with his twin brother Chaffin Pullan and Robert Lichfields brother-in-law, Dan Peart. I am a survivor too. This is utterly ridiculous nonsensical logic. I remember him singing Good morning, good morning, its time to get up or its a warning. At least, he was the most unlike the other staff members like the cowboy with the mustache who was obsessed with his walkie talkie (that guy was so weird), or Rusty and his older brother strange people, clearly not qualified to help kids. So if you went there, and are now an Adult, and you are still im the Same Fucked Place that you were that got you there in the First Place, then Please Go Get Help. We never to knew when we would return home. looking back the place cracks me up. No wonder my counselor at school had so many questions when I told her I went to Spring Creek. There was much discussion and hype about the real estate market and economy in general in 2022. I remember when I finally made it to jr.staff and I somehow managed to get into the HR building and do paperwork for a couple weeks. He says in his book that he worked there for 10 years. Im sorry it happened to anybody. Yeah its amazing how every parent got sold the your kids gonna wind up dead story. Did I fimd it Funny that only cute girls got to Work at Camerons and Chaffins Home? it ruined years of my life just by being a part of the pain, distance, etc my boyfriend went through. I made friends that I still miss. I got there in 2002 and it was exactly like everyone elses story, 2 flights and a 4 hr drive all the way across the US from where I live, they charged my mom 5 thousand a month fit me being there, I was lucky and was only there 6 months, worst memories of my life! Options include diverse lodging packages, camping trips, wilderness horse pack expeditions, day trips and world wide travel. We were all coming from Sky View Christian Academy, which was a WWASP program in Hawthorne, NV that was forced to close because of a handful of lawsuits/complaints. I was being starved, robbed and abused at home from a mother suffering from narcissism and munchausers syndrome. I was a fairly good kid and my parents were rich and didnt want to deal with a teen. I was there for the Upper level Prom which I was fortunate enough to dance with a very attractive (and I think even taller than me) blonde. Our lodge offers rooms at the main lodge and separate cabins for a more private and rustic experience. Thank you! http://www.flickr.com/photos/100005874@N05/ Anyways. I was made to believe I was a piece of shit and came home thinking that didnt take long I was in jail etc at 38 I still have problems with self hate and not a day goes by I dont think of this hell hole. And same day I dislocated Bills shoulder from him and tmac restraining me. Who the hell do you think you are????? I would make my nose bleed and went through a whole box of tampons and kept making my nose bleed. Thank you so much, and power and good health to you all. After that, I was sent back to scl for my last year (17-18). Toooo many memories to start. The counselor I was manated to see one time because I was new at the time told me about crazy mushroom picking he did with his girlfriend and started touching my legs and shit. Blackburn or blackbourne? We went on a work trip to some town kind of near by and we ran from there to a greyhound and had a girlfriend by us tickets to vegas. Hopefully they have since realized what a grave mistake they made and have tried to make amends, and hopefully youve been able to find it in your troubled, eternally scarred hearts to forgive them. Wow, you are a shill. I dont care what the reasoning was behind it, keeping something like that a secret and allowing someone to abduct you is absolutely deplorable. Because when I got home from spring Creek I lost a huge part of my identity I didnt have that free spirit that I had I didnt really fit in with my lifelong friends in the same way. Shows how much she cared lol. Well I am glad and your daughter should appreciate that you are able to see the fundamental flaws of the programs. My dad would come home in tears because of the things he was forced to do just to keep a roof over my head until he couldnt take it anymore and had to quit and this school was just ran by ONE of the old employees of SCL. I am so glad to talk to those whom made it through that insane school and I would love to talk to those whom I was there with . I had access to everyones files and some of the pictures of self mutilation that the kids did to themselves as a result of staff was disturbing. The acreage is easily accessible from a well-maintained set of roads, and the ranch infrastructure is in outstanding shape. You could tell this was just a laid-off lumberjack who needed the health insurance. Her name was Emily Gleason. Tried to stay positive and give my mom everything she had paid foran acceptable me? Its far in the rear view now and more than success stories, I see shattered spirits and people never able to function. I got to Noxon and crossed the big silver bridge that leads from Noxon to Highway 200 on the other side of the clark fork. well that just didnt sit well with me since me and that guy had just shop-talked the day away. I was in unity family in 99 and 2000. Its mostly a blur to me but I do have flashbacks one of them is an alarm going off and upper levels having to run out of the cabin looking for a girl named Jessica and I was the one who found her running and I remember I tackled her and kneed her in the back and held her down in the snow and I remember both of us crying.. and exhausted and it was so fucking sad.. I was there in 2003. You can only understand if you have been there. i do not know your husband and i didnt went too this place but i had a similar experience elsewhere in europe when i was a teen. It was a long blur of morning meetings where they inflicted their ideas about therapy upon us. Me and Mark? Please contact me at greene0756@gmail.com and I will give you Gabes info. Parking, utilities, exterior, etc. One other thing I want to mention is that in one of the seminars at SkyView Christian Academy there was a girl i think she was 14. 4th generation owners Daryl & Theresa Smith welcome you to enjoy DePuy Spring Creek, a world-class trout fishery nestled between the breathtaking vistas of the Absaroka and Gallatin mountain ranges in beautiful Paradise Valley south of Livingston, Montana. I was also suddenly given an A+ in my chemistry class which WAS SUCH A JOKE. Was there until 2001. Linderman was not in the same league of evil. Friends of mine like little Doug, John H., Eugene, and countless others endured unspeakable abuse at the hands of Lichfield led psychopathic, Mormon, disciplinarian sadists like Chaffin Pullan, his brother Cameron, Duane Smotherman, not to mention the lower level rapist night watchmen and junior staff. Lot 1 $11,500 to LBS Angus, Fortuna, ND; SD Ashland 2047; 1/16/22; GAR Ashland x SD Final Answer 5081 Lot 3 $10,000 to Nelson Spring Creek Ranch, Livingston, MT; Spring Creek Lodge Academy, located in Thompson Falls, Montana, was first opened as a WWASP school in 1996 by Cameron Pullan and Dan Peart, along with Chaffin Pullan, Camerons brother. I was 15. Colton Stoneman. We are located near Livingston, Montana just 40 miles north of Yellowstone National Park Armstrong Spring Creek on the O'Hair Ranch - Spring Creek Fly Fishing in Montana Was there march 31 2002 july 1, 2004. Theres no family left. I hoped she did not get in a strange car. Most did in one way or another. I was never in the program but my Mom worked at spring creek in 2007 and i would come onsite some days. Choose from Montana's largest selection of fishing and lodging packages. Please know that God loves you and will forgive anything and everything you did back then or have done since; all you have to do is ask. He ended up being sent to Jamaica. We shared rumors and strategies to get out. Access from MT-141.Call/Text Listing Agent Please. I have struggled very much with depression, trauma, and I just recently started therapy for a lot of things and so much of it that I have tried to forget about is coming back little by little and Im 31. This kind of attitude, the kids were bad, they deserved it is a classic staff response to survivors speaking out about the program. The rules that we had to follow so as not to lose a point if a student broke one. DePuy Spring Creek is considered by many to be one of the finest spring creeks on the planet. They were all Mormons and tried to push that religion on us. During this time we were kept so far from civilization that the only hope for survival was to stay with the group. Few places on earth can match the picturesque beauty of the DePuy ranch with the Absaroka Mountains towering above a valley filled with deer, swans, cranes and bubbling trout waters. AnywayI truly am proud of you man. It was a nightmare, but wear your survival with pride. In 1996, he moved to Montana to open Spring Creek Lodge along with his twin brother Cameron Pullan and Robert Lichfields brother-in-law, Dan Peart. Lorikinder24@gmail.com. Redeem available rewards of your choice. We are aware of Youth Foundation, and their staffs seedy past But I didnt know they owed so much money. I found your site after reading a cautionary review on Amazon.com of Teen Whisperer by Mike Linderman. She said that she has worked with many students and has a 95% success rate of getting us were we need to go. I remember the cowboy and really cool guy that called us his cockroachs. I have been helping him put together his story if anyone remembers Brian McLaren from 96 and 97 and would be willing to share what they remember please help me help him. It was very bad but apparently it had gotten worse. I remember 18 year old activities going to the local grocery and Every one of us buying a fat steak and watching a movie in the trailer.