In that case, the argument that any gun is better than no gun might be correct but thats as far as it goes. Dont you dare break the three rules of safe gun handling. When I was a lot younger, I was riding horses with some friends. The Sig 320 problem was that it had an internal block but dropping (or smacking it with a hammer) could make the trigger move to disengage the firing pin block. This is not remotely comparable to carrying a semiauto with an empty chamber, where the slide must be racked to make the gun ready to fire. The 223/5.56 is the most common centerfire rifle cartridge in the US. One never knows who one is talking to. But still a nice catch. Who honestly gives a F*ck what someone else chooses to do. Pretty soon, it became standard for guns to have a manual safety switch. But no self-defense. And thats only firearms. As someone from MS you gotta tell me where this full auto shoot was. They claimed that the officer didnt purposefully pull the trigger, but he just twitched from his heart beating fast and the gunshot an unarmed innocent man. in the 20th and 21st centuries, empty chamber is just retarded. And so easy to correct. My wife carries her Beretta 92 loaded with the hammer down and the safety off so all she has to do is draw and fire; first shot DA and the rest SA. The LC9s can not be fired in any other way accidently unless the trigger is deliberately pulled. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-leader-2','ezslot_6',115,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-leader-2-0');All this comes from an old incident within the New York City Police Department. But, OFC, the current crop of TTAG writers are kept too busy chasing sponsors to look up the meaning and physics of the things theyre writing about. Modern revolvers (Smith & Wesson, Taurus, Ruger, Kimber) have transfer bar safeties and as such theres no need to mention it. Learn what it means to have muscle memory. As stated above, Glocks are safe. People that just cant accept what someone else wants to do compared to what they feel is best for them smacks of their insecurity. Or some jackass was pocket carrying his G43 without a holster and something snagged the trigger. Its kind of unneeded though, because inertial firing pins can only build firing inertia on their own if the whole gun accelerates, and then stops suddenly. For my "duty firearm", I carry a Glock Mod 22 Gen 4 (.40 S&W cal.). Never happened yet I would rather shoot myself in the leg but still be in fight than have bad guy shoot me because I didnt have a chambered round. You've only seen one page. I now have a Walther P99 (OK, Im a Walther fan). 1 - 20 of 30 Posts. No thanks. As for kids, had 3 daughters, all knew all weapons were loaded, all were shooting bb guns by 5, learned safety and marksmanship, and by ten, the oldest could out shoot me with the Smith 9mm semi, steel. Eventually, revolver designs changed. In meantime, happy to train Israeli carry and take the tragedy buffer. A un-chambered carry gun is useless. Since its a bookmark and not a save, it will go there and update to the latest info. Ive been carrying mine daily for five years and will continue to carry it as long as I can. What is the I.33 for humidor and candle or Grndtliche Beschreibung der Kunst des Fechtens for bananas?;-). Carrying a Glock 26 or 27 in "conditon 1" (chambered) is comparable to carrying a loaded S&W Jframe revolver. Even though everyone who has ever used and examined a SA revolver can easily see that the firing pin is ALWAYS in contact with the primer when the hammer is down, if the chamber under it has a round in it?, And, again, absolutism that is far too easy to refute. Modern revolvers (Smith & Wesson, Taurus, Ruger, Kimber) have transfer bar safeties and as such theres no need to mention it.. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-truth-about-6-5mm-ammo/ Guns in my bigger safe are in condition 3 (AR rifles and defensive shotguns), except for my SAA revolvers are empty as I dont consider them as a defensive weapon (my hunting rifles and shotguns are empty too), mainly because both have 8 1/2 barrels and were used for silhouette shooting when I was younger. How often are you a klutz when driving a car? And, sorry youre a confused fool. The driving analogy is a good one, because we drive so much (most of us, anyway). Knowing how impossible that is, Im NOT one of those. Because it has no external safety that means you are only 5 lbs away from making the gun fire. The most common objection was something is better than nothing (or words to that effect). MOLON LABE. With any decent holster you will be fine. Mike Cumpston [Public domain], via Wikimedia CommonsCredit where due, its true that in days long past the best practice was to carry your revolver with the hammer resting on an empty chamber or on an empty primer nipple in pre-cartridge pistols. Length: 7.3. I feel its foolish but its my thought. Some of the biggest mistakes happen when training at sex. How often do you train your driving abilities? Sometimes I ask a question. The Glock 19 is one of the most popular models of Glock that is available on the market. . Jordan Buck is an outdoor writer, a man of faith, and a family man. 19th century Colt hammers. Do u know what the 21 foot rule is? Does the gun have a firing block mechanism. The gun itself Cannot be rendered safe without the chamber being empty. There are advertisements for trigger jobs on striker fired guns to make them with an even less pull weight!! ADs by glockinstine operators usually are extracting their golden goose with or wit out a pocket holster, by placing their finger, as so many comments referred to above, on the trigger upon extraction. If you want a single action trigger pull, either carry a SAO autoloader in condition one, or choose a hammer fired model that one can manipulate its condition at will. Torture tests are silly and prove nothing about a gun. The stone cold killer blows a hole in the braggarts forehead and his buddies stand there with their jaws agape while he starts shooting them. One in the chamber is NOT ALWAYS the best option. Sound off in the comments. It is a compact pistol that is chambered in 9mm and is designed for concealed carry. But if the gun has to be pointing at the ground for the problem to occur, then how big a problem can it be? Unlikely. So when does your Glock actually have a likely chance of discharging in those two most common klutz behaviors while handling a firearm? Until I do, its one in the chamber with safety engaged and hammer down on a DA/SA pistol. The Glock handgun is the preferred handgun of police worldwide. It should stay the way it is. My three-year-old knows that for her bb gun. If the pin has enough mass, it will fire the round, chambered or not, hammer blocked or not, trigger pulled or not, out-of-battery safeties, etc. Even in that highly unlikely scenario, the gun would likely kill them anyway, even without going off, by blunt trauma alone. All it takes is knowing what the word; inertia means. I still counted 16, but when he starts fanning it gets a little hard to keep track. And so it is when carrying a Glock as well. * Good on you guys for responding here. You could also chamber a snap cap, holster it, do your daily routine around the house and then check if trigger was pulled. 1911s are traditionally carried empty chamber (probably a bad idea) or cocked and locked: hammer cocked and slide mounted safety engaged. Ive said it once, Ill say it again. The ground is about the best bullet backstop one can get. If a person was going to leave a gun in Condition 3, they had better practice loading and firing the pistol, because not doing so just might get them killed. I will say this again: If other blogs can do it, then it can be done. They will not fire unless someone puts their finger on the trigger and squeezes. That doesnt mean you can ever fool around with one. Revolvers with their heavy double action trigger pulls are perfectly safe to carry with a round in the . Thats all Colt added to the series 80, the internal firing pin block. @ mark s: +1 here. I still get the occasional email notification. And my Ruger .357. You'll want to train yourself one way or the other. In war or a defensive situation, that will get you killed. In a prima facie, on-paper, in-theory sense, thats true. Youll likely only be in one or two gunfights at most, in an entire lifetime. Even though they don't have . Nearly anything can be used as a weapon, whether it is designed as a weapon or not. Ive committed all those errors and I grew from them. Glock claims that this translates into longer pistol longevity as well as better accuracy overall. So you have no quibble with the line; If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire., in relation to SA revolvers? Im not a big believer in the the bad guy will just take your gun and use it against you school of thought. 4 under extreme stress you may short stroke it. Note, the sentry safe does have a security vulerablity that can be mitigated by covering a hole with stainless steel tape. You just have to get comfortable with it. Glock likewise provides a slimline design, which integrates features from the Gen 3 and Gen 5 Glock guns. As the saying goes, you do you. Answer (1 of 104): For me. In practice? Use whatever gun you want. I am sure you will tell us that since you are a stable genius it will never happen to you. Introduced in 2012, the Shield is thinner and lighter than the M&P Compact and features an improved trigger. Oh - And my Cobra .22 has one round in EACH chamber. . Like: condition 2 (good choice for a DA/SA autoloader), condition 1 (if your chosen piece has a manual safety), and etc. I suggest a CZ 75 D PCR, in 9mm. Now, to rein in this trip into the weeds. Of course theres a difference between driving and shooting. . Will again once they are old enough to figure out crapping ones pants is a bad idea. You cant just twitch and accidentally shoot one. U.S. There are a lot of older pistols manufactured without a drop safety feature. But thats good. My point is that I see no benefit in limiting my defensive options. I once owned 12 of them. Thanks for the tip. And an unloaded weapon does you no good if/when you need it. "The mountains are calling and I must go." They make it look soooo easy in the movies! Also, that gun will then give you a second try at any round that fails to fire the first time. This makes it about five ounces lighter than another popular 9mm Luger gun, the Glock 19. this aint Dodge city and you aint Bill Hickok Blam, Blam,Blam! Didnt check that the gun was clear. Especially in a stressful situation. Is A Glock Safe To Carry Chambered. Does the Glock fire then? As I mentioned elsewhere here, the trigger pull and safety mechanism are irrelevant to the *proximate* cause of any Glock discharge Im aware of. Amen brother. It wont matter if the slide is in battery or not. Glock firearms Instructor. Absolutely. Colt change the SAA!? So you are in reality arguing that if someone makes a *negligent mistake*, the Glock is more likely to discharge than another firearm. Because of its usefulness and reliability, many police and government agencies adopted this model as their service pistol. you would do well to keep in mind that some people dont carry with a round in the chamber not because theyre so afraid or lack of training but because simply of where they live and the laws that exist there if they did they would be constantly administratively chambering and unchambering a round throughout their day while doing so in their vehicle Do you supposes THIS guy knows the six letter word for a firearms dangerous end? Back in the old days of guns, they didn't really have any safety at all. She was brave. If you carry a modern pistol with an exposed trigger, you are own your own. To each their own, and god speed, The first gunm I packed was a SA .22 with a half cock safety and I loaded all the holes, then I went DA but cocked it most of the time.so I got in a habit of cocking the hammers Then I went to auto pistols and just never did trust that hammer sticking up so I carry them with one in the chamber on half cock. The gunfight at the end was pretty good otherwise, but at one point Costner gets 16 shots out of his Colt SAA without reloading. I worry that my flesh pushing against the soft holster will somehow depress that little trigger safety and nudge the trigger back. Does the gun have a external safety, or is it internal. After all people driving cars kill more people than people holding firearms. What an idiot libtard if you have a gun you get good at handling it stay with your BB gun, Mad says, What an idiot libtard if you have a gun you get good at handling it stay with your BB gun. Whats the big deal? When I go hunting, I carry my Remington 700, bolt action rifle with the striker discharged on an empty chamber. They DID make a variant with one (the Colt Cowboy) but they dont offer it anymore and the SAA is sold sans transfer bar. I felt a few of the points that were raised had enough merit to discuss further. The G44 is the ideal pistol to start or enhance your shooting experience. Ive run an experiment with a rough 1911 with a POS barrel that was scrap. I think the Glock leg argument is kinda straying off into another argument, that could be a good idea for its own article.